Comments on: Clash of the Cartoons http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/ Guardian Student Publication of the Year 2011-12 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:04:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/#comment-3638 Chris Tue, 11 May 2010 17:58:17 +0000 http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/?p=4836#comment-3638 Of course films are in some way of their time and you have to take into account the market for such a film, your absolutely right about Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. I do think though that if you compare the two franchises through the same period of time that disney still ultimately underachieves on strong female characters. Some of this might be to do with the fairytales they have chosen to base their films on, but Disney has never had real problems making significant changes to fairytales or stories to suit their needs. Although they present stronger female characters such as Belle, Meg and Nala, they ultimately continue they ultimately are dependent on male characters to save them and hardly hold a candle to Princess Monoke, Kiki or Chihiro.... Sorry rant over! Of course films are in some way of their time and you have to take into account the market for such a film, your absolutely right about Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. I do think though that if you compare the two franchises through the same period of time that disney still ultimately underachieves on strong female characters. Some of this might be to do with the fairytales they have chosen to base their films on, but Disney has never had real problems making significant changes to fairytales or stories to suit their needs. Although they present stronger female characters such as Belle, Meg and Nala, they ultimately continue they ultimately are dependent on male characters to save them and hardly hold a candle to Princess Monoke, Kiki or Chihiro…. Sorry rant over!

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]]> By: Jenny McLarney http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/#comment-3631 Jenny McLarney Tue, 11 May 2010 13:23:05 +0000 http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/?p=4836#comment-3631 Yes but snow white and cinderella were made in the 30s and 50s (compared to studio ghibli that was founded in the mid 80s) when women weren't given the same equality, maybe these cartoons are more influenced by society than disney being particularly sexist, plus disney started for children and therefore used old fairy tales which typically puts the female into the weaker role to be saved by the man. Yes i agree with aladin, there are some more modern disneys that still take this road, however they also have also produced films such as Mulan that counter this it as well. Yes but snow white and cinderella were made in the 30s and 50s (compared to studio ghibli that was founded in the mid 80s) when women weren’t given the same equality, maybe these cartoons are more influenced by society than disney being particularly sexist, plus disney started for children and therefore used old fairy tales which typically puts the female into the weaker role to be saved by the man. Yes i agree with aladin, there are some more modern disneys that still take this road, however they also have also produced films such as Mulan that counter this it as well.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/#comment-3614 Chris Sat, 08 May 2010 23:11:04 +0000 http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/?p=4836#comment-3614 The primary difference between the two film franchises which wasn't mentioned in the debate is really the light they cast women in. Despite my childhood love of disney films they repeatedly subjected examples of women who are entirely dependent on men to rescue them. In Aladdin Jasmine is literally made a slave to villain Jaffar, in both Snow White and Sleeping Beauty the kiss of a man is needed to save paralysed female leads and in Cinderella her dream is to marry a prince. In contrast in Studio Ghibli we're given the opposite, strong female leads who manage to show vulnerability whilst also often saving male characters. The primary difference between the two film franchises which wasn’t mentioned in the debate is really the light they cast women in. Despite my childhood love of disney films they repeatedly subjected examples of women who are entirely dependent on men to rescue them. In Aladdin Jasmine is literally made a slave to villain Jaffar, in both Snow White and Sleeping Beauty the kiss of a man is needed to save paralysed female leads and in Cinderella her dream is to marry a prince. In contrast in Studio Ghibli we’re given the opposite, strong female leads who manage to show vulnerability whilst also often saving male characters.

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]]> By: Jenny McLarney http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/#comment-2299 Jenny McLarney Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:15:56 +0000 http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/?p=4836#comment-2299 Thanks for your comment chris, what i meant was that ghibli is funded film to film with no merch i.e. no Totoro happy meals and no franchise notions, rather than the sale of their own films. Thanks for your comment chris, what i meant was that ghibli is funded film to film with no merch i.e. no Totoro happy meals and no franchise notions, rather than the sale of their own films.

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]]> By: Chris Northwood http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/scene/clash-of-the-cartoons/#comment-2258 Chris Northwood Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:29:56 +0000 http://www.yorkvision.co.uk/?p=4836#comment-2258 "Studio Ghibli films are not funded by multiple franchises or merchandise can only be a good thing" Well, they kind of are. Studio Ghibli's films are dubbed and distributed by Disney in the west... “Studio Ghibli films are not funded by multiple franchises or merchandise can only be a good thing”

Well, they kind of are. Studio Ghibli’s films are dubbed and distributed by Disney in the west…

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